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Jeremy Linden's avatar

This was an interesting piece, Rob. It's always interesting to see an external PoV on my culture, and I think some of your observations are definitely correct. A few not-entirely-structured points/critiques:

1. While it's true that Judaism isn't as God-centric as most other religions, secular Judaism has been suffering from the same ailments as other secularized religious traditions like mainline Protestantism, where the less stringent denominations like Reform are losing ground massively to the Orthodox, both due to attrition and fertility. Combined with ultra-high intermarriage rates for secular Jews like me, it's likely that the culture you admire (and that I have some fondness for myself) will be a shadow of its former self in the US in a few decades, no matter what happens in Israel.

2. If you think that this Jewish culture is what has produced such achievements (I'm not taking a position on that myself, just accepting the premise), it's not clear to me that Israeli Jewish culture is substantially similar enough to create the same results. While Israel is a nice place to visit, I don't really feel like the culture there is particularly similar to Ashkenazi Jewish culture in America or Europe, in part because of the much more diverse backgrounds of the residents but mostly because being a majority culture is very different from being a minority.

3. While I don't doubt your experiences in Israel, as someone who has also gone there and has family members who live there, I think some (not all) of the settlers have genuinely deranged supernatural motivations and are different from the Islamists on the other side in degree but not really in kind. And with the demographics going the way they are, that side is unfortunately gaining a lot of ground in Israel, as we have all observed over the past few years. Saying that they have no "desire for Jews to control any territory beyond Israel and the occupied territories" isn't that exculpatory, as the desire of a minority of Israeli Jews to ethnically cleanse the occupied territories creates substantial problems for Israel and aids the cause of the hardcore anti-Zionists here in the US, whom I'm not much more of a fan of than you are.

4. While it's a minor point and unfalsifiable, I imagine in an alternate universe where we created Israel in Uganda instead of the Middle East would be one with substantially less (though probably not zero) conflict relative to our world. The supernatural motivations on both sides (the Palestinians from the beginning, but also many Israelis too at this point) make it much more intractable than normal irredentist nationalism.

PS: Was nice to see you again at the ACX meetup a few weeks back!

Nicholas Weininger's avatar

Rob, your posts are always fruitful inspirations for thinking through cruxes of agreement and disagreement, and this is no exception. I appreciate your candor and thoughtfulness here.

FWIW I am ancestrally half Jewish and rather more than half by cultural identity, though never religiously observant-- a common American combination, I've found. And I agree completely about the outsize importance of Jewish flourishing to general human flourishing.

I disagree about Israel in several respects, and it's probably most constructive to unpack the most fundamental of these. In my opinion right now, the most important institutional task for both Jewish and human flourishing is not the survival of Israel but the restoration and extension of American liberal cosmopolitanism. By that I mean bringing America closer to what it could and should be, and has been less like lately: a country that is nobody's ethnostate, but is founded on and culturally committed to universal, anti-tribal, anti-racist ideals of human rights-- and crucially, a country where immigrants from around the world are welcome as a matter of right and not sufferance.

My personal history is certainly part of my motivation here. My paternal grandparents were lucky enough to arrive not long before the racist 1924 immigration act shut the door; many of their relatives who didn't make it out in time were murdered in the Holocaust. I think of those whose lives and livelihoods are put in danger today by similar restrictions-- those liable to be deported due to the end of TPS, for example-- and feel called to stand up for them for the sake of the principles that, however imperfectly realized, let my grandparents make good lives for themselves and their descendants.

More generally, though, I have come to identify as a rootless cosmopolitan and open-borders globalist. It's not an accident that those terms originated as pejoratives for Jews. I think the authoritarians and ethnonationalists who use them were and are responding to something real and important in Jewish thought and culture, I think that thing is actually one of the best parts of Jewish thought and culture and one of the main drivers behind the extraordinary Jewish contribution to humanity, and therefore I think we should reclaim those terms as badges of honor.

Here too recent experience has sharpened my motivation. It seems to me that the MAGA ethnonationalists who currently disfigure America are close kin both to the worst of Israel and the worst of Israel's enemies. Stephen Miller, Itamar Ben-Gvir, and the leaders of Hamas (and the Martyrs Brigades members you talked to) are all fundamentally the same to me: they are sociopaths who delight in cruelty and their central political goal is to rationalize terror and murder in order that their supposedly morally privileged tribe may have dominion over their supposedly sacred homeland. The obvious, to me, way to work for a more humane future starts with radical denial of their premise, with the insistence that there are no such things as morally privileged tribes or sacred homelands.

And that to me is the most patriotic American way as well, because it is precisely because of its partial and imperfect cosmopolitanism, and to the extent that it's grown less imperfect over time, that America has also been able to make an astonishingly outsize contribution to human flourishing. I would argue that not only is it a contribution of similar magnitude to the Jewish one, but that the American and Jewish contributions to humanity are inextricably intertwined: they could not have been nearly so great without each other and they cannot continue to be nearly so great without each other. That's of course partly because America has been so hospitable to Jewish life and Jewish immigrants have done so much to enrich America, but it's also because the highest and best American values and the highest and best Jewish values greatly overlap and complement each other.

Not least among those values is that expressed in the admonition often repeated in the Tanakh: "v'ger lo toneh v'lo tilchatzeinu ki gerim heyitem b'eretz Mitzrayim"-- "you shall not wrong the stranger nor shall you oppress him, for you yourselves were strangers in the land of Egypt". That is inherently an extremely difficult value for any ethnostate, no matter how well-intentioned, to live up to. There are those in Israel who are trying anyway, and I wish them all the best. But I aim to take what seems to me, in spite of everything, the more straightforward path to its realization. And with that I wish you a happy Fourth of July.

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